[ca-gw] opportunity_down_the_drain?

Tue Apr 14 01:32:20 PDT 2009

Hi everyone,

I haven't contributed much to this discussion and have lost track at  
times, especially when digressions have occured.
Is there a copy of the proposed code that someone can forward to me to  
review? I was really busy when this all started and didn't have alot  
of time to participate. Right now I have some time to take a look at  
this and am curious to see what they are proposing.

Would it make sense to fundraise to get a competant licensed engineer  
that promotes and understands simple on-site waste water treatment  
systems to appear before the legislators and give them a  lession? It  
would be a responsible move on their part to be open to this  
considering they are going to be making potentially binding decisions  
on this and perhaps they have funds that could support this.

I would recommend  Michael Ogden. He designs constructed wetlands and  
other systems treating sewage.
http://www.natsys-inc.com/ They are generally less expensive than  
other on-site treatment systems.
He is based in New Mexico

Also Peter Warshall (lives in Tucsan now) might be good. He helped  
design the first permitted on site treated sewage drip system in Malabu.
He gives a nice presentation.
Grey water is a no-brainer yet needs to be treated with respect. Based  
on the comments I've been reading it sounds like they are proposing  
overkill for something that could be relatively simple.

Thanks for all the attention to this.

Penny Livingston
Regenerative Design Institute
www.regenerativedesign.org

On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:53 PM, linda at sandrabird.com wrote:

>
> A well connected woman has offered to help- this is what she sent me:
>
> I am going to be going up to Sacramento with Adam Scow and others  
> from the water coalition to lobby Mark Leno's office about desal.   
> Obviously Adam will be leading the meeting, so I would have to check  
> with him about this, but perhaps we can also educate his staff about  
> this code, the hearing on the 27th and what needs to be changed in  
> it.  We could also try to arrange an appt with Jared Huffman about  
> this as well- let them know this means something to their  
> constituents.
>
> Nice work
>
> Do you think you could send a quick summary of the process so far,  
> the first stakeholders meeting, the letter writing and the next  
> meeting, what's already happening and what's going to happen soon.   
> And also, a brief summary of what the code says now and how it might  
> change- for better or worse.  Who the opponents to gray water are  
> now and who the allies are.  Doesn't need to be any longer than a  
> page.
>
> Guys- do we have a collective response? Do we want to meet with  
> politicians? (Notes:  Adam Scow is involved in Food and Water Watch-  
> A National Organization.  Marin water department has proposed a  
> Desal Plant)
>
> I can respond on my own- but I'd love some back-up.
> Linda Nave
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [ca-gw] opportunity_down_the_drain?
> From: linda at sandrabird.com
> Date: Mon, April 13, 2009 8:48 pm
> To: "Steve Bilson" <stevebilson at rewater.com>
> Cc: 'Juliet Lamont' <jlamont at creekcats.com>, ca-standard at graywater.org
>
> Thanks Steve for redirecting us back to the codes.
> So.. let's think outside the tank.  What can those of us who can  
> speak, interpret but not write in the language of code do to support  
> the effort of changing this code?
> Should we compose a letter to send to... who?- to get their  
> support.  The gov? All of our senators.  What if all of us emailed a  
> target audience on the same day?
> Ideas- anyone?
> Steve (the whole list) the email I sent about what is going in in  
> Marin was not intentioned as 'support me' I wanted to reopen our  
> dialogue.  The Grey water group had gone silent.
> I celebrate our re-opening of conversation.
> Lets take forth to the masses the embodied power of water- as Steve  
> has wisely pointed out- we cannot let this opportunity to change the  
> codes go down the drain!!!
> What happened to the support of a tiered system?  Should simple  
> residential systems be in the same mesh of codes intentioned for  
> larger systems?
>
> Linda Nave
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ca-gw] EBMUD Board Meetings tomorrow--water pricing!
> From: "Steve Bilson" <stevebilson at rewater.com>
> Date: Mon, April 13, 2009 7:23 pm
> To: "'Sonia Diermayer'" <sodier at mindspring.com>,
> <ca-standard at graywater.org>
> Cc: 'Juliet Lamont' <jlamont at creekcats.com>
>
> I'm starting to see a lot of tangential matters discussed on the
> greywater/org tool. While those other matters are important to water
> conservation, we need to stay focused and actively engaged on the  
> state
> greywater irrigation code revision process. Looking back on  
> California's
> history, this opportunity only comes around once every 14 years or so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ca-standard-bounces at graywater.org
> [mailto:ca-standard-bounces at graywater.org] On Behalf Of Sonia  
> Diermayer
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: ca-standard at graywater.org
> Cc: Juliet Lamont
> Subject: [ca-gw] EBMUD Board Meetings tomorrow--water pricing!
> Importance: High
>
> The underpricing of water is a key impediment for all water
> conserving strategies/technologies.
> If you are in EBMUD's service area this may interest you!
>
> EBMUD Board Special Meetings (both meetings have impacts on future
> water pricing and both include public comment periods)--
> Tues, Apr 14:
> 1) 8:30am, re: Drought Management Program (see staff report at this
> link)--
> https://portal.ebmud.com/about_ebmud/board_of_directors/
> board_meetings/special_meeting_agenda/staff_reports/
> 041409_drought_workshop_staff_reports.pdf
>
> 2) 9:30am, re: Budget and Rates (info about 2010/2011 rates
> interspersed throughout this report)--
> https://portal.ebmud.com/about_ebmud/board_of_directors/
> board_meetings/special_meeting_agenda/staff_reports/
> 041409_budget_rates_staff_reports.pdf
>
> Hope to see others there to speak up for steeper, tiered water rates!
> Sonia
> Sierra Club SF Bay Chapter Water Committee
>
> As per Juliet Lamont (Sierra Club):
> ************************************************************************
> **********************************************
> Let's "urge EBMUD to implement aggressive, progressive (e.g. tiered)
> pricing mechanisms (NOT just in droughts!) similar to - or better
> than - Irvine County Ranch District's 5-tier system, where "water
> wasters" at the top levels really get dinged with high prices. This
> is combined with a base level ("water conserver") rate, which allows
> everyone to get a basic amount of water at an affordable rate...but
> anything above that, you are going to start paying, and pay more
> exponentially as your use goes up the tier curve. Fifth (top) tier
> is very expensive.
>
> This program has been extremely successful in promoting water
> conservation in the Irvine Ranch District's area (conservative
> southern CA), and has been very popular with consumers, thanks to an
> excellent PR and education/outreach program implemented along with
> the tiered rates. So, fully possible!
>
> We should be doing at LEAST that here. Water is too cheap!!!"
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